Talk:Dark oak - minecraft.fandom.com

Rename proposal[]

Someone tagged this article with a proposal to rename to Dark Oak tree. That user is blocked for disruptive editing, so I have removed the tag. In any case I thought I'd address it:

I  Oppose such a move for these reasons:

1. The common English usage for referring to a kind of tree is simply to use the name of the tree; for example, "that's an oak, and over there is a birch"; unless you're referring to a fruit tree ("apple tree") you just use the name without the redundant "tree" appended. We don't refer to a "Dark Oak tree forest", we just say "Dark Oak forest".
2. The titles Oak, Birch, Dark Oak, Acacia, etc. all already directed to the Tree article, suggesting that these titles are about the tree, not the material. The only exception is Jungle tree because Jungle is already an article about the biome.

For consistency, simplicity, and in the interest of common usage, we don't need "tree" in these titles. It's redundant. Amatulic (talk) 21:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I would  Support the move becuase dark oak could be a disambig and term for the material, not the tree itself. Also it would be consistant with jungle. Why is it not called jungle (tree) then? Also with your biome argument, yes, it is named after those trees but it does not include the tree becuase that would sound weird. Other biome names also have "tree" in their name such as Giant Tree Taiga or Giant Tree Taiga Hills. Also, the "tree" part is bolded. Also, with the nether trees, we call it Huge crimson fungi. The Crimson article is a disambiguation and moving this and the other pages would make sense for consistancy. I mean the crimson and warped have a lot more area but it would be impossible to move the page huge crimson fungi to crimson meaning that it would be consistant (and possible) to move all the overworld wood pages.---Humiebee ^{Discuss anything with me Look at my edits} 00:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Humiebee: please continue the discussion on Talk:Tree. You're suggesting a backward disambiguation; the material is named after the tree, not the other way round. Common English usage includes "tree" in the name for fruit-bearing trees (peach tree, almond tree) or when referencing the tree's environment (desert tree, European tree, jungle tree), but otherwise the word "tree" is redundant, the tree owns the name (oak, spruce, elm, hickory, pine) and the material inherits the name from the tree, although that isn't really the case with "redwood" which is both the tree name and the material name (and here in California where redwoods grow, most folks don't use the term "redwood tree", it's just "redwood" when referring to the tree). Amatulic (talk) 08:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

 Support moving Dark oak to Dark oak tree along with other trees. The Great Spring (talk) 02:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

→ Continued at Talk:Tree  Nixinova   T   C   18:45, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Name[]

This is something different about the name. This title, unlike other pages with two word names, has the second word not capitalized. It would look a little neater if you changed that. Thanks.

• Blu Gy (talk) 00:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

 Strong support, the name for the blocks are Dark Oak ___________, we just need a consensus on huge fungus first as that also has the second word uncapitalized---Humiebee ^{Discuss anything with me Look at my edits} 01:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

There should be no debate about this. Yes, it should be Dark Oak. The "Dark oak" (lowercase oak) title already existed and I just used it for the project to split the Tree article. I agree, it should have been Dark Oak.

I just moved it. All OK now. Amatulic (talk) 08:00, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

All of you should read the MCW:style guide again, titles should be sentence case unless the name is shown in title case in-game. Dhranios (talk) 08:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Little further elaboration: Yes, the items and blocks use title case, but not decorations/worldgen features, only structures who do have a display name in bedrock. Trees should folow capitalization of other worldgen features, not the blocks or items. Dhranios (talk) 08:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Right. That always confused me. I never understood why some common things are proper nouns here and others aren't. Amatulic (talk) 08:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Another reason I think we should move this is because of other names. Names with 2 words are all capital, like Ocean Monument and Woodland Mansion.

• Blu Gy (talk) 16:39, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

That's because those names appear that way in the game. Apparently that isn't the case with Dark oak, according to Dhranios above. Amatulic (talk) 18:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Not the tree itself, no, which is what this page documents. Trees have no displayed names, ergo no title case. Dhranios (talk) 18:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)