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About delete fabricated pages and speculate pages due to negligent rendering of cutscenes, and merge MCD:Tough mob or Elite mob pages.

Hi, I've recently verified a lot of Minecraft Dungeons content and made requests to delete or merge pages, since I heard that you don't own the Minecraft Dungeons game and not in the wiki discord group, So as a player, I'll show you the evidence I've collected. I hope you can make a corresponding judgment to decide these page should be stay or remove.

For the fabricated pages should be delete:

The fact that Elite stray is fabricated is actually something I stumbled upon, when I was working on a mob rendering of Minecraft Dungeons Arcade, I found that the Frosted Fjord level in the game only has a large number of normal skeletons or melee skeletons equipped with armor and weapons , there is no elite stray in the whole level process, there are only a few stray with skeleton texture. For details, you can refer to the gallery of Minecraft Dungeons:Stray and one of the arcade "Frozen Fjord" gameplay video on Youtube.

And End Vindicator and Tough End Vindicator, these two are actually the most questioned and asked to delete pages on their talk page, they only appear for a few seconds in the cutscene, Someone create these page just because they don't have the weapon and there are some white texture on the body model and the wrong button color. Recently, I learned rendering from Director Oakar258. I found out that it was because the cutscene creator forgot to render the alpha channel of the mobs, resulting in the pixels not being transparent. The same mistake can be found on cutscene villager too. For details, you can refer to the gallery of villager and the talk page of end vindicator with many user reactions.

Finally, on the topic of "Armored mobs", I have already mentioned the relevant experiments to you, but I would like to briefly explain to you the history of "Armored mobs" in the past two years.

At first there was no clear idea of mob variant at the time, because in the game files these mobs were named "Variant1" or "Variant2", but those names didn't sound good so no one want to use them.

Regarding name determination, we prefer to use the names in the LOCRES file. The LOCRES file is used to display the text that the player sees in the game. There are 15 official translations of LOCRES files, so the LOCRES file has the highest priority. One example is when Iceologer's file was first discovered, everyone thought its official name was Chillager, because the file was named Chillager, and it was later found in the LOCRES file that its official name was Iceologer.

The strange thing is that even the LOCRES text file does not have the name of "Variant1" or "Variant2", for example, the names of the three vindicators after being enchanted are all "Enchanted Vindicator"

Armored mob was first mentioned in a book called Guide to Minecraft Dungeons: A Handbook for Heroes:

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ZOMBIE – Slow and shambling, zombies are easily beaten with melee attacks. Be warned: the armored zombie requires many more hits to take it down.

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— Guide to Minecraft Dungeons:
A Handbook for Heroes

Unfortunately, this official book was not written by the game developers. So there are plenty of text and image errors, a few examples: the pillagers of the Fiery Forge loading screen are confused as vindicators in book; the vindicator chef and its weapon ladle are confused as illager chef and spatulas. In the early days, some editors moved these pages according to the content of the book, but they were corrected later, but the armored mobs were not corrected back and keep stay there.

After a while, I found an ID log list from the Chinese wiki group and shared it to English wiki: (News!) The List of Entity and mobs!

At this time, someone found that there is a type of mob whose ID is "Variant 0" on the list, and questioned the existence of armored mob. I was also one of those who questioned and suggested merge them (though due to my bad grammar and mistyped mob IDs "Various2" and "Various3"). At this point user Drour1234 objected and replied that they belonged to separate mobs, and the enchanted mobs would show "Armored", but it took me a long time to realize it was a lie. The LOCRES file does not have the word "Armored" at all, it is impossible to display the word "Enchanted Armored Vindicator" on the player's screen.

Luckily ,the whole farce was ended by the experiment done by user Minecraforever. We proved that the internal ID parameter of "variant 0" exists, and that the game treats variant0/1/2 as the same mob, not the separate mobs, and they have same parent ID parameter.

I hope the evidence information above can be useful.

This is my first time comment on your talk page. I am also very grateful for your continued maintenance of the wiki and for growing me up, without your teaching I would not be where I am today. Regards and wishes to you Alan (talk) 12:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Here is the conjecture name or fabricated mob page list:

Alan (talk) 03:48, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Collector Alan:, I have deleted everything from this list that is deletable, including Minecraft Dungeons:Elite Pillager. The items that remain are subjects of merge proposals, so it would be best to leave them for now. Amatulic (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Another made up MCD enchantment

Look like I found another fan made enchantment by PeetaKeeta. It's the Minecraft Dungeons:Efficiency enchantment. Once again an armor property confused for an enchantment. James Haydon (talk) 17:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Are you also in agreement with deleting the three that Alan mentioned in the section above?
If so, it would be nice if someone removed all of the links in other articles linking to those, so I can cleanly delete them. It took me a while to cleaned this up on the last round I deleted. Amatulic (talk) 23:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Well I'm pretty sure there is a way you can see what links to a page, so you know which pages have the link to it and remove it from them. Again, that enchantment is utter nonsense and is not referenced anywhere in the game files. James Haydon (talk) 00:27, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Anybody can see links. See Special:WhatLinksHere. There should be a "what links here" selection under "My Tools". Proposing deletion of any article or image integrated into this wiki would involve some cleanup beforehand. https://minewiki.pl/en:Special:WhatLinksHere/Minecraft_Dungeons:Efficiency shows the links for the page you mentioned. There are two templates and four articles that link to it. You can ignore user pages or talk pages.
I still need to know if you also agree with deleting the three Alan proposed in the section above. Amatulic (talk) 02:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Yep, I agree with all of them. Rendering errors and item modifiers mistaken for enchantments do not need pages at all. I give you the long awaited green light. James Haydon (talk) 04:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I understand this list is lengthy, but it's also the result of two years of piling up on our wiki, so I had to make it clear. Moreover, my experiments were not challenged by other users. To be honest, personally, I don't really want to merge elite or tough mob pages, except for those three pages that need to delete. Beause I am the one who helped build and fabricate facts, I guessed that the material of the armor mob's armor was gold or diamond, but I had to follow the wiki rules and expose this. Even if they won't be deleted, I'll move their pages to "MobName Variant" instead of "Tough MobName".Alan (talk) 13:28, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm fine with deleting, them; I just want to be sure there's a consensus to do so, rather than one person making the decision. Because I don't know enough about Minecraft Dungeons, I have to rely on multiple other editors to see a consensus. Amatulic (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry this has taken so long. Real life intrudes. I have deleted the Minecraft Dungeons:Efficiency article and removed all links to it from other articles and templates. I still have to go through the larger list. Amatulic (talk) 23:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Whoever is reading this, please go through the blue links in the list in the section above, select "What links here" from "My Tools" (if you don't have it, then add it), and clean up the pages linking to those names. I want those names to be orphaned before I delete them. Amatulic (talk) 19:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
So nice to see you finally take action on this issue. It seems like you got most of the pages deleted, there's only three that still remain: MCD:Melee Tough Mossy Skeleton, MCD:Tough Frozen Zombie, and MCD:Tough Husk. Take care of these please. James Haydon (talk) 21:23, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
@NineTreyBlud: I wasn't going to delete anything until they were orphaned or converted to redirects. Because that was done, I deleted them. Melee Tough Mossy Skeleton was deleted a while ago but for some reason the link still shows blue. I even purged the cache. Maybe it'll clear up. The other two are the subject of merge proposals. Do you see anything in them that can be merged? If not, let me know and I'll delete them. Amatulic (talk) 22:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
I made it so that the Melee Tough Mossy Skeleton page actually displays as a redlink now. It has the {{Direct link}} template on it, which caused it to display as a blue link even though it was deleted, so no need to purge cache or anything of that sort. About those other two, although their armored variants only spawn in arcade, I believe they could be moved to a different title. A good example of this I've seen is MCD:Mossy Skeleton (Arcade), which distinguishes it from the base mossy skeleton without using the "though" name. I don't think a proposal is needed for those two pages right away as it could just be moved to a different title for the time being, like for the example I just showed you. James Haydon (talk) 23:57, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
@NineTreyBlud: Done, after doing some redirect cleanup. The new names are MCD:Frozen Zombie (Arcade) and MCD:Husk (Arcade). Amatulic (talk) 01:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
It is relieving that all those pages are finally all cleaned up. The dungeons wiki is still a long way from being completely organized, but you made a big step in making in clean. Thank you for your service! James Haydon (talk) 03:44, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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