User talk:Munin295/Archive 2 - minecraft.fandom.com

Regarding my Redstone edit

Thank you for your explanation, Munin. I have had my work on Wikipedia removed many times, and it was not customary for them to provide any reason as to why they did so. Your courtesy is therefore greatly appreciated.

I acknowledge that I was in error.

Petrus4 (talk) 16:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

New mod for schematics?

Just saw this on the forum: Schematica Haven't tried it, because I've been focusing on Thaumcraft lately, but probably worth investigating. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 01:12, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I don't use MCEdit, schematic files, or any mods, so this one's all yours! : )

—munin · · 03:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Signature

How did you create your book/quill + pickaxe signature?

PangeaCake (talk) 23:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

—[[User:Munin295|munin]] · [[File:Book_and_Quill.png|16 px|link=User_talk:Munin295]] [[File:Stone_Pickaxe.png|16 px|link=Special:Contributions/Munin295]] ·

—munin · · 23:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

A bit new here, just realized you could look at the source ._. Feel like an idiot now. Thanks.

—[[User:PangeaCake|PangeaCake]] · [[File:Book_and_Quill.png|16 px|link=User_talk:PangeaCake]] [[File:Stone_Pickaxe.png|16 px|link=Special:Contributions/PangeaCake]] ·

—PangeaCake · · 23:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

So can/do I paste this in the signature box on preferences?

Yep (without the code and nowiki tags). You'll see the new version on the Prefs page when you save the prefs. It won't change any of your previous signatures, but it's not considered good practice to go back and change them (history is history).

—munin · · 02:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there any reason

— {{ItemSprite|cake|link=User:PangeaCake}} [[User:PangeaCake|PangeaCake]] | {{ItemSprite|book-and-quill|link=User_talk:PangeaCake}} {{ItemSprite|stone-pickaxe|link=Special:Contributions/PangeaCake}} |

doesn't work in signatures? It seems like a better way to make them and the images are aligned correctly(er).

— PangeaCake | | 02:43, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Transclusions are forbidden in signatures, and substitutions are discouraged.

—munin · · 02:57, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

So what do substitutions mean? Does that mean the template is pregenerated or something? Sorry to bug you so much.

— PangeaCake | | 03:40, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

No worries.

With a transclusion, the template code stays on the page and gets substituted every time. So if you change the template, the transcluded content will change to match. But with a substitution, the template code gets replaced on the page by the template's output in the code (rather than just in the page rendering), so it will never change again and always reflect what the template was when the substitution was made. So a substitution isn't as big a security risk, because the template never gets called again, but it's still discouraged in signatures.

You do a substitution like this: {{subst:TEMPLATE}}.

—munin · · 07:00, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Content duplication

This edit duplicates content from the Chunk format page. This makes it harder to maintain the wiki because changes now have to be made in two separate locations. Instead, just link to it on the Chunk format page. As an alternative solution I can split out all the various formats on the Chunk format page into templates and then both pages can refer to the template instead. LB^(T|C) 21:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

This is probably better discussed on the style guide talk page where I already raised the issue and KnightMiner is already considering a template approach.

But let's not make decisions too quickly. It's important to be able to play around with ideas and see if they're helpful. —munin · · 21:33, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I see you've brought this up at chunk format too. I agree that's the correct place to discuss restructuring that page, I meant style guide was the place to talk about adding a new section to pages or adding more info to the Data Values section. —munin · · 21:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Block States for Water, Lava and Fire

Hello!

I'd been using a Debug world in F3 mode to help add to the Block States page; seemed pretty obvious. However, you can't get block info when hovering over fire or liquids. How could I get those states? I noticed when I first came to the page, there was already an entry for flowing liquids, but I couldn't verify it.

– Sealbudsman (Aaron) T, C, b 16:24, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Good question. I'll let you know if I figure it out. —munin · · 17:07, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

You can get block states for fire from /assets/minecraft/blockstates/, but I don't see files for lava or water there. —munin · · 17:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Funny, I don't have an assets/minecraft/blockstates/ folder. In .minecraft/assets, I have: /indexes, /skins, /objects and /virtual. Am I looking in the wrong place? – Sealbudsman (Aaron) T, C, b 18:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

@Sealbudsman: I think he is refering to within minecraft.jar.

Oh right, silly me. – Sealbudsman (Aaron) T, C, b 18:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

@Munin295: Yep, no blockstate files for liquids, you cannot adjust the models for those as of yet.

--KnightMiner ^(t|c) 18:34, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Aha. Dinnerbone posted a list of all the block states back in April, including flowing_lava and flowing_water (but the list doesn't have newer blocks like prismarine). —munin · · 19:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

That's cool, but I suspect it may be too out of date to rely on right now; minecraft:leaves2 shows a variant=big_oak, and that's not its current name; also fire shows only 16 states (age 0-15), and in the debug world (as well as the blockstates file) there are 192 distinct states, with no reference to age...

Where to put redstone details so they'll be found?

Where should I put e.g. the fact that dispensers won't feed upward into a container as droppers will, or how to recycle minecarts into an item pipeline? As far as I can see, none of the articles you've removed my edits from link to any tutorial-space articles etc. I'm concerned that if I have to hunt too hard for an appropriate page to put that information on, so will anyone who might be looking for that information. Seahen (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest searching the Tutorials article to find a relevant tutorial for the minecart information. Once you find one (or create one), then link it in a relevant "See also" section.

As for the dispensor thing, there is no reason to list all the features a block does not have, we only need to list the features it does have. You might as well say you cannot eat dispensors like you can cake.

–KnightMiner ^(t·c) 23:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Basically, find and link to a tutorial, or write one. For example, Tutorials/Minecarts mentions that minecarts can be destroyed with cactus -- you could expand on that, or start a new section, or just write a new tutorial to discuss how to use that to recycle minecarts.

If there's a tutorial that seems relevant to an article (or if you write a new one), feel free to add a link to the article as a {{see also}} link or even a See also section. Your work in finding the relevant tutorials will help others, which is how wikis improve.

Ninja'd. —munin · · 23:40, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

As for the dispenser thing, people do get confused between the two sometimes, so it would probably be okay to add a see also link to droppers and hoppers mentioning that they can push items into containers. Listing alternatives is okay, as long as it doesn't get into a larger "strategy" discussion. —munin · · 23:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)