Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 37 - minecraft.fandom.com

Technoblade

Should we have a page about Technoblade? Mojang actually added a reference to him and he was quite a famous YouTuber. The word 'Technoblade' only appears on the Easter Eggs page, which I don't think is enough. I'm not gonna create the page straight away in case I am actually wrong. Sausagea1000 (talk) 17:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

We don't have pages on content creators or really community stuff in general, if we had a page for Technoblade then I think it becomes a tricky question of who else in the Minecraft community should get their own articles. –Sonicwave ^talk 06:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia already has a good article on Technoblade. There isn't really a need for duplicate content here. Amatulic (talk) 01:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Technoblade isn't the only YouTuber that has been referenced in game. I'm pretty sure in the console edition tutorial worlds there is a recreation of Stampylonghead's house along with the names of other prominent at the time YouTubers in the love garden. James Haydon (talk) 04:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Shared Images Respository with the Galaxite Wiki

Hello, I am from the official Galaxite Wiki and we would like to make a shared images repository with the Minecraft Wiki (MCW). However, this community needs support for this desicion so please tell us if you like the idea (as you can do by replying to this). Just to make things clear, this image sharing will not make the MCW more cluttered as it only takes images from the MCW and lets the Galaxite Wiki use them but does not take images from the Galaxite Wiki and put it onto the MCW. – Unsigned comment added by ThatJadon26 (talk • contribs) at 21:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

I personally don't see any issues with this. Several other wikis such as https://aether.fandom.com also use MCW as an image repo and I don't recall it causing issues. The difference with language wikis that use EN as a file repo is that the latter copy over entire articles from the English wiki with screenshots that later get abandoned, leaving lots of old screenshots that then need to be checked when renaming or deleting them on EN. I imagine the Galaxite wiki will mostly use "standard" images like items and blocks, which already have established naming formats and shouldn't be moved around as much. –Sonicwave ^talk 21:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

More admins (2022)

I'd like to again bring up the discussion of promoting more admins on this wiki. Apart from BDJP (who was promoted after a similar discussion last year), most of the admins including myself aren't particularly active, and some non-vandalism related admin actions such as CSS fixes seem to take a while to be noticed. I don't think our current situation with just 1 or 2 active admins is enough to handle all of the workload on the wiki, nor healthy to prevent burnout.

To start off, I'd like to suggest Amatulic and JEC6789 as candidates. JEC has been around the wiki for a long time, starting around the same time as myself, and I don't recall them having gotten into any conflicts over the years. They are very active in fighting vandalism and I think they'll be of valuable help in that regard. Amatulic has also been consistently active for several years and is very communicative, explaining the majority of his edits/reverts as far as I can tell and both presenting and addressing concerns on talk pages. One of my main concerns (not only here, but also other wikis and online communities in general) is with biting new and inexperienced editors, whether intentionally or not, and discouraging them from making future contributions or remaining in the community. I believe that both JEC and Amatulic will be able to assist with vandalism fighting and other admin tasks without doing so, and will be helpful additions to the admin team overall.

If anyone has concerns or feedback on these two editors or have other candidates (including themselves) that they believe to be a good fit, please do discuss here. Also, if either Amatulic, JEC, or anyone else who may be named in this discussion do not wish to have admin rights, feel free to state so. However, I'd say that adminship should be thought of less as an obligation and more of a set of additional privileges that the community trusts you to have; and in a similar vein we shouldn't discourage promoting more admins that we believe have what it takes, just because there are certain number of them already. –Sonicwave ^talk 01:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't mind taking the role, although I thought we already had enough admins here.

If it matters, I've been an admin on Wikipedia for 11 years, so I'm familiar with the additional tools. The admin workload on the Minecraft wiki shouldn't be a significant increase. I check in in almost every day, although most of my activity recently has been page patrolling and minor improvements. I'm not perfect, I do make errors in judgment at times, but I also welcome others pointing out when I mess up.

As for other candidates, I assumed JEC6789 was already an admin here, and was surprised just now to learn that isn't the case. I second the motion. Amatulic (talk) 01:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

One other thing I should mention: while it shouldn't be necessary for admins for participate in the Discord (like with normal editors), we do have private channels for admins and directors, as mentioned on the Discord page. These channels aren't especially active but do get used from time to time to discuss wiki moderation, as well as communicating with Fandom staff and SOAP. There would be no obligation to moderate or otherwise participate in the Discord server itself, as the actual server moderator role is separate from the admin role for this exact reason. –Sonicwave ^talk 05:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I joined the Minecraft Discord a while back but didn't see the value in it, so I haven't been back. That might change if my role here changes. Amatulic (talk) 05:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Might have time to write a longer response this weekend, but in short, I  Strongly oppose myself being given admin rights, and I still  Support Amatulic getting admin rights – JEC _talk @ 04:09, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

As General Sherman supposedly said, "if nominated I will not accept, if elected I will not serve."

Well, I still support giving you the rights. There is no harm in an experienced editor using admin tools only occasionally. There isn't an obligation to use the admin tools, but they are nice to have when a need arises. The point isn't to draft you into a new job, but to give you access to tools that you can be trusted to use responsibly. Amatulic (talk) 05:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't know if I should suggest myself, but my favorite wiki tasks are template, css and js fixing, which is needed as mentioned by Sonicwave above. Was previously suggested here. - Magiczocker (talk) 06:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I  Support Magiczocker for admin. Especially if you can fix the popups tool that broke in the recent update (no more "patrol this page" option appears). I've been told some css and js can't be fixed though, and would need to be done by fandom.

A possible other candidate might be User:Fadyblok240. Amatulic (talk) 06:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I'd support Amatulic. From what I've seen of his contributions, I definitely think he'd be a net positive as an administrator. I also support Magiczocker, as I feel like with Majr inactive/demoted it would be useful to have someone new who is knowledgeable of CSS and JS.

JEC seems like a good candidate as well, but if he's really that strongly opposed then oh well. Madminecrafter12 (talk) 03:58, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

 Support Amatulic.  Support Magiczocker.  Conditional oppose JEC6789, conditional on them continuing to oppose being given the right; I do not believe it's appropriate to assign special permissions to anyone against their express wishes, even considering various possibilities of whether they will actually use such permissions. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 04:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I support Magiczocker as well. He's also been on this wiki for several years (to where I think he's familiar with how it operates) and has already assisted with moderation through his SOAP rights, but giving him admin will allow him to do non-vandalism-related admin tasks as well.

I do have some reservations about Fadyblok however. They seem to largely focus on the maintenance side of the wiki, but I'm concerned that it may get a bit excessive at times. On several occasions they have introduced guidelines or other administrative changes without discussion, including this edit on the talk guidelines (which I just noticed when reviewing their edits); and brought over templates/modules from Wikipedia such as Module:TwitterSnowflake (dependent on Module:Date, also from WP) and Module:Redirect, which I think aren't strictly necessary and tend to introduce unnecessary complexity on this wiki. Granted, I think the latter is a bit less common now than in previous years, but it still makes me hesitant about him potentially doing the same with the site CSS/JS.

As for JEC, I definitely agree that they should not be given admin rights if they do not want them, though I'm not sure if that's being implied here. I do think they can get the patroller right at least (if they're fine with it), as it hardly carries any additional permissions, but can make rolling back edits quicker and speed up Recent Changes patrolling by distinguishing edits that other patrollers and admins have already patrolled. –Sonicwave ^talk 06:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

 Support Amatulic and Magiczocker, per above. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 06:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

 Comment When this discussion started User:NineTreyBlud had been inactive for over a year, which is what prevented me from mentioning that user as a potential admin. Now NineTreyBlud is back, so I suggest him for consideration as a candidate for administrator. Amatulic (talk) 23:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm personally not sure about NineTreyBlud yet, as I had some concerns over him in the past (mainly regarding civility and dealing with problematic users); although looking back it seems most of the instances took place in Discord or were on-wiki issues that were addressed there as opposed to talk pages. Since he has only been back for about a week, it's hard for me to form an opinion based on his recent activity. –Sonicwave ^talk 06:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

 Comment Just wanted to pop in here and say I hope this is acted on soon, especially if you can find people who are active around this time (it's about midnight PST here). We had someone rearranging page text all over the place and it was pretty tough to keep up and clean up behind them. Fortunately BDJP popped on and finally blocked them. So more admins would definitely be appreciated and the sooner the better :-). - AD OffKilter (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah IK I am late to this, but I don't mind still being patroller, seeing that I only came back to edit on the MCD wiki. James Haydon (talk) 21:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Because this discussion has been inactive for a few days and there seems to be overwhelming support for Amatulic and magiczocker, I have  Granted administrator rights to both of them. Personally, I would be weakly opposed to promoting NineTreyBlud and Fadyblok. The issues raised above are very valid, and with the promotion of two active admins, I feel like we don't need more unless they're just outstanding candidates. Madminecrafter12 (talk) 14:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

 Oppose myself. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) 00:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Content moderator revisit

Whatever happened to the proposal to create a "content moderator" role, with some admin rights but not all of them? Supeika proposed this last year but it didn't seem to go anywhere. This role exists on other wikis. A content moderator would have patroller rights and can do things like rename pages over redirects, protect pages, unprotect pages, but cannot edit admin-only pages, block users, or grant user rights. I still think it's a great idea, and I can think of several editors who would be good content moderators. Even JEC6789, who doesn't want to be an admin, might be willing to have the rights of a content moderator. Amatulic (talk) 05:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

 Comment The userbase then didn't like it because they said that if someone has these permissions why wouldn't be trusted to be an admin, and also because it's a Fandom-made user group. I think we could also revisit the idea here because, for example, the group works well for us on es:Minecraft Wiki, where I mainly edit (hence why I didn't comment yet to the more admins proposal), so we maybe should try to get more opinions. Supeika (talk) 05:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I still tend to think that the content moderator role is similar enough to admin that you might as well give them the admin role instead. According to the Fandom help page and Special:ListGroupRights, the only real rights admins have over content moderators are blocking users (content moderators can edit admin-protected pages) and editing abuse filters, CSS/JS and MediaWiki pages. The only user right admins can give is autopatrol as we use Patrollers (which only bureaucrats can grant) instead of rollback, although I wonder if the former could be changed so admins could grant it as well. Editing abuse filters and MediaWiki pages is a rare use-case, so the main difference would be the ability to block users. I can see that being a touchier right to have than deleting or protecting pages, but that alone isn't worth introducing another user group in my opinion.

A separate content moderator role might make more sense on wikis that also have article comments or the Discussions feature enabled, where Content and Discussion moderators are two separate roles with admin being a combination of the two (along with its own extra rights). –Sonicwave ^talk 05:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

If I may chip in from basically retirement - I support Sonicwave's assessment of the situation (therefore an  Oppose). Besides, I think it adds a useless extra layer of bureaucracy for something that's already fairly slow and bureaucracy-heavy, having been around for a fair number of years. The new 'worst case' of escalation would be editor -> CM -> admin or bureaucrat -> <insert Fandom tree here>, while currently it's editor -> admin or bureaucrat -> <insert Fandom tree here>. It's also quite pointless to create a new role (basically admin light packaged in the fancy marketing term content moderator) for someone who has declined to be admin. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 03:44, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

 Oppose. I generally agree with Sonicwave's and DarkShadow's comments. There are several things I believe every serious wiki-wide proposal needs: 1) a description of a current problem; 2) a proposed solution; 3) an explanation of how the solution actually addresses the problem; and 4) at least some assessment of risks and drawbacks. I only see (2) here. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 05:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I understand the situation now. I withdraw the suggestion. Amatulic (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Minecraft Legends wiki project

I was wondering if we could start up a project for a wiki about the upcoming Minecraft Legends game. I am aware we have little information about this game but incase we get more leaks in the future we should plan to create a wiki for this game. This was done for Mojang's previous two spinoff titles (Minecraft Earth, Minecraft Dungeons, Minecraft: Story Mode). James Haydon (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

 Strong Support, but only as project in MCW:Projects for now. Also on Fandom's support page, it says max 3 custom NS are permitted, so we may have to cancel one of the NS, MCE or MCSM.--TreeIsLife (talk) 20:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Per Fandom Staff, the limit only applies to non-content NS (like Forums), so in other words, we can request more content ones. --TreeIsLife (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I  Support it being on MCW:Projects for now since it's small information, but I would support a new namespace too. We don't lose anything if we ask them if we can have more than 3, anyway. Supeika (talk) 01:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay OishiiOnIno is gonna contact a Fandom staff member in regards to the creation of a new MCL namespace, but some people (I.E. MarkustRost) think that there isn't enough info on the game yet for a full blown namespace. James Haydon (talk) 21:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Questions to Fandom staff

Next Tuesday, September 6th at 18:00-19:00 UTC, the admins/directors of all of the language wikis will participate in a roundtable with Fandom staff on a private channel in the wiki Discord. While the meeting itself is limited to admins and directors as requested by staff, we are free to share the discussion with the wider community. So please feel free to post any concerns or discussion topics here to be brought up during the meeting, and we'll try to keep this topic updated with the responses. –Sonicwave ^talk 20:22, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

This probably isn't important, but WikiPoints are completely broken. I've noticed that the points of every single user keep decreasing every couple of hours. Here are some examples of this issue over time: https://web.archive.org/web/20220705201052/https://minewiki.pl/en:Special:WikiPoints

https://web.archive.org/web/20220819230534/https://minewiki.pl/en:Special:WikiPoints

Currently: https://minewiki.pl/en:Special:WikiPoints

I also found an administrator with negative points. https://minewiki.pl/en:UserProfile:BDJP007301 This should be impossible, so WikiPoints are obviously completely broken. Minermatt122514 (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

That is a known issue and is being solved (for some months lol) --TreeIsLife (talk) 16:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

For the record, OishiiOnIno has compiled all of the questions and answers from the discussion in this Google document. –Sonicwave ^talk 21:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

New source category for Sound table template

Moved to Template talk:Sound table

How are people making perfect animated isometric renders?

I have that mod "isorender", which is an amazing mod, and was able to make beautiful images with it, but I'm seeing other images that have not only isometric views, but flawless animations as well. What programs are people using to pull that off? For example, I'm seeing one of the Warden's idle animations on its respective page. There's also another of a villager shaking and sweating. I need to know what people are using to be able to make those .gifs. --XZippy (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 35#How are people getting perfect mob models? Wasn't this enough? I am closing this. --TreeIsLife (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

(Reopened the topic, I don't think it should have been closed this early since it's specifically referring to animated mobs, which is different than the linked topic) — There's some instructions at MCW:Standardized views#Animated_entities, however I don't think all of the renders were created following them exactly; for example, User:Pneuma01 who created many animated renders uses their own method which may be mentioned on their talk page. –Sonicwave ^talk 21:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I've read through his entire talk page, and I'm just getting bits and pieces of his process. It's been a while since I've studied Java, so I don't know if I can move up to his level. It's a shame, I really wanted to help the wiki. At least I can still provide static iso renders and animations/recordings of MC gameplay with proper camera mods, but I can't do what Pneuma does. It's a shame he doesn't provide a tutorial, because I'd kill for one. --XZippy (talk) 00:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

New Autopatrol Candidate

I have patroller a lot of edits from the user CrowdingFaun624 (talk • contribs • logs • block log) and they seem to be a very constructive user. They have added Bedrock Edition sounds for numerous pages and have done several other major constructive things. I don't want to keep having to patrol their edits so if any admin wants to give them autopatrol then by all means do so. James Haydon (talk) 21:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done. BDJP ^(t|c) 16:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! :D - CrowdingFaun624 (talk) 19:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Another Candidate for Autopatrol

Brain180 (talk • contribs • logs • block log) seems like a very good faith editor. They already have made well over 4,000 edits, so I say it's time they should have autopatrol. James Haydon (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal: delete old add-on tutorials

I've started a discussing here but little seemed to notice, so I'm posting a link here in hopes of a more active discussion Madman1995 (talk) 20:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I am not even sure, if we even have those. I rememember having them mass deleted and later I proposed a change to move official pages out of the main namespace to Minecraft Wiki (Project) namespace. But I  Support deleting them --TreeIsLife (talk) 21:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Minceraft Title.

Yeah. 1/10000 chance for minecraft's title to read minceraft. well.. IT HAPPENED TWICE IN A ROW FOR ME.

if my calculator wasn't an idiot, THATS A 1 in 100,000,000 CHANCE.

Should i try the lottery!?