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Ushering a New Standard of Quality to the Wiki

Good morning,

It has come to my attention that the articles of this wiki are lacking in quality. If you direct your attention to the current version of the Breeze Rod article, you will see how dire the situation is. It is not the only one, for many of our newest articles are small and inadequately written. Here, I put forth the problem is how articles are made. Right now, anyone can make an article with little to content in it, resulting in poor pages. This motivates other editors little. Why should they develop an article when it already exists? No, there is no apparent reason to, for you see, they see an article on the wiki, it is visible to all on the internet, and that is good enough. It exists, therefore it is. Existit, ergo est. You might thing this is not true, for are wikis not a place where anyone can contribute? Cannot someone start an article and have other editors expand it into something wonderful? Is this not what it means to be a wiki? And you should be right, and you would be right on many wikis. Here, however, it is no longer so. We do not have an army of editors who grow articles. We must fix this, and I shall propose its salvation.

Let us follow Wikipedia's example and have a drafting space in order to promote better articles. Let it be the namespace Draft: where pages are drafts, or a page Minecraft Wiki:Drafts where subpages are drafts. Anyone can start an article in the drafting space, and anyone can contribute, just as with articles today. However, as namespaced articles, they are not shown to the public. I said before an editor may see the article exists and is visible to all the internet and declare it is sufficient. Drafts will entirely eliminate the problem. All editors who see the draft will work on it so it may, when good enough, be moved and become a proper article. To support this, let main article creation be disabled, and let none move drafts to the main article space save admins, and only when the drafts are satisfactory. Editing can always proceed as normal, but creation and moving are restricted.

The competitor is outflanking us with vastly greater legions of vastly superior articles with vastly greater legions of vastly superior editors. Though Fandom fights hard for our side, we must fight, too. We must beat our splinter, and we will beat them with many good articles, but we must learn how to do so. By implementing a draft system, we will promote more and better articles. Editors will see one dream: to make many drafts and grow them until they are good enough for publication. As they grab their dreams, this wiki will see another: to retake its place as the ultimate resource for all things Minecraft!

SugentPene (talk) 07:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

 Support. The fork happened almost 500 days ago and we're losing. The splinter, like you called it, is doing a much better job than us. If we want victory then there need to be some changes in how we roll. If we don't have an army of Brain180s then we need to encourage one. Drafts will encourage an army to rise up. Eichibib (talk) 15:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I think this idea has potential. Like you said, it's possible that it'll motivate editors to work harder on new articles, and it'll certainly keep us from giving our many readers poor content. I'm not really worried what our readers think of this wiki because most of them don't realize wikis are a thing (they just go to Google or whatever, find and read a wiki article, and move on), but I do care about what it is that they are reading. With the draft system, they will only see an article on this wiki when that article is useful enough to help them out, but thanks to YouTube, the fork, and other sources, readers won't be missing out on any crucial information because they can find it elsewhere on the internet in the interim. Plus, I'm already used to reviewing every edit on this wiki, so there's very little overhead added with this system. SLScool 20:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Then it's decided. Making a new name space for drafts will take some work so we'll start with Minecraft Wiki:Drafts how you suggested. I'll make the page and try to make the abuse filter to prevent main article creation and moving drafts to the main article space.StuckInAHypickle (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

 Support If we want to come back from this, we need to take a proactive stance on this. The Draft system introduction is a good start, but we can do more. Also, we could re-add snapshot articles as Minecraft Wiki:Drafts. HexaRuby (talk) 17:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Admin Privileges

The Minecraft Wiki is getting harder to edit because of restrictions, like Villager being fully protected and inability for non-admins to re-upload files, or promote Drafts and move pages, etc. Also there’s a lack of admins, so is there someone you’re thinking about promoting? HexaRuby (talk) 22:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

It sounds like you want some user(s) to get admin rights because of these perceived restrictions. However, that is not necessary. Some good news is that y'all should now be able to reupload files. Uploading and reuploading were restricted last year in response to vandalism. Six months ago, uploading was reinstated, and I asked our wiki representative to reinstate reuploading as well. He said he'd get back to me about it, but he never did, so I asked staff to reenable reuploading a few days ago. On the other hand, the occasional full protection of an article, such as Villager, isn't that inconvenient. The protections are usually temporary, talk pages are still open for making suggestions, and there are still thousands of unprotected articles that can still be edited. As for promoting drafts and moving pages: this isn't something that is needed very often and there's currently nothing in need of either (no drafts are presently ready for publication and everything in Category:Pending move still needs consensus and/or preparatory work). SLScool 03:00, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. HexaRuby (talk) 09:06, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Guys? Can Someone Help and tell me why this is happening in my minecraft worlds

So i was playing a modpack called "new berks dawn" We Were Playing and uh I found a grave stone we thought oh its apart of the modpack But then it Then she said she saw FIRE got weird on our way back to our base we found trees without leaves that were stripped! I have a photo of the trees out of nowhere and when she turned around and looked back it was gone! *it was not storming and it was peaceful mode* Then smoke came out the trees without fire in it or anything and i heard a growling noise Has anyone experienced this? Im like rlly young and scared The worst part is when i went to delete the world my game froze then crashed and gave me exit code 6? is 6 even a code? heres the trees..

Razorwhip-Royal (talk) 23:02, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that! Maybe you can find something at https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/modpacks/new-berks-dawn. This wiki is just about Minecraft, not mods in detail. Also, I appreciate you want help, but this website is only for people 13 and up. If you're younger, you should stop using your account.StuckInAHypickle (talk) 06:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Vandal

Someone has been vandalising wiki pages with their Discord and YouTube channels (One of the pages https://minewiki.pl/en:Allay). If anyone has an old enough account, please start deleting it if possible.

Templates

Some templates and modules need to be updated regularly, like Module:Inventory slot and Template:Protocol_version/Table. Therefore, I volunteer to edit those templates. Could I get the needed rights? HexaRuby (talk) 09:43, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Undelete Snapshot Articles

So I’ve been thinking, and I realized that snapshot articles are a keystone of the Minecraft Wiki, helping document new and upcoming features. Therefore, I propose to undelete them. HexaRuby (talk) 23:19, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Since there are no objections, I’ll be doing this shortly. HexaRuby (talk) 09:08, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I didn't respond because I was hoping you or someone else could provide better reasoning than what you've given thus far. When we talked about removing snapshot articles last year, the reasons given were to let editors focus on other articles and to decrease our dependency on Lua. That second point never went anywhere, but the first point still stands. Without snapshot articles, our editors might focus more on articles—and I think they have. Here's another point to consider: if snapshots are documented in minecraft.net articles and we have articles about full versions on this wiki (e.g., see Java Edition 1.21.4 and its history), what great advantages do snapshot articles bring? SLScool 09:48, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

5 arguments for the inclusion of snapshots:

1. They incentivize documenting new and upcoming features on the wiki, by explaining the changes the snapshot made and linking to new features.

2. This wiki is supposed to be the ultimate source on Minecraft, not the partial source.

3. Detaling and explaining the history of Minecraft.

4. Fixing the snapshot red links.

5. Why would snapshots be any different from release versions?

HexaRuby (talk) 00:20, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

StuckInAHypickle, the other admin and the one who originally proposed this policy, wants to try answering this, so I'll just provide some approximate statistics. From the time of the fork to when I added the abuse filter accompanying the policy against betas (a period of 6 months), 38 articles were made for 31 different snapshots (and pre-releases, betas, etc.). I think this represents about half of all the snapshots released during that timeframe. About half of these articles only ever received an infobox, several were copied directly from the other wiki, and one just had a single paragraph. Only three of them ever received more than just an infobox and a single sentence. Since then (a period of 14 months), there have been 36 attempts to create articles on snapshots (not counting images, repeated attempts when people don't see/ignore the "We no longer have snapshot articles" message, etc.). This was across 24 different versions of the game, of which only 6 were for new versions; the rest were versions from before 2024. Most of these attempts were copied directly from the other wiki, or were (nearly) blank, or were actual vandalism. SLScool 18:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I believe snapshot articles would be more for historical purposes, to see the changes an update went through before its final release (or we could simply link to minecraft.net). For the average MC player, having a number of snapshot pages isn't very useful, as they would want to know the changes they can expect "now". Each minecraft.net snapshot article shows the changes made from the previous snapshot, not from all the previous snapshots, which is why the upcoming version page (ie: Java_Edition_1.21.6) would be more useful (if the page is updated with/from each new snapshot). I have to admit, I considered making all those snapshot pages, but couldn't really see the benefit (other than historical). Ferretwings (talk) 21:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I know it can be frustrating that we don't have pages on snapshots. I want to talk about your concerns.

It's easy to think people will want to document new and upcoming features on snapshot pages. But look at the stats SLScool provided (thank you!). Only a small percentage of new snapshot pages, including the ones people tried to make after the ban, got good info in them. So it turns out that people will not be incentivized to document information on snapshot pages!

I understand that there are lots of red links to snapshot pages, and I get you want to fix that by making snapshot pages. It seems like an easy fix to a problem! But the easy fixes aren't always the right fixes. Links exist to serve pages, not pages serve links. So we should remove red links to respect deleted pages, not make pages to fix red links.

"Why would snapshots be any different from release versions?"

Snapshots are tiny things. They're so much smaller than release versions because it takes a lot of snapshots to make up a release version.

Finally, we may be "the ultimate source on information about the Minecraft franchise", but we have a precedent on this wiki of not documenting everything. It's called the notability guidelines. We already don't have pages on lots of things. The lots of pages in version history, plus with individual release version pages, equals a very detailed history of Minecraft. Snapshot details don't add much.

I hope this clears things up for you! Let me know if you have any questions and Ill answer anything I can. StuckInAHypickle (talk) 06:29, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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